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[Lockpicker]

After lurking in the round the breakers found a set of alloys off a polo with good tyres......a bit of haggling got them dirt cheap! Yae I know they are the wrong PCD so off to a engineering firm and got them to make up spacers/hub adaptors

the wheels are 5.5 x 13 rims with 175x 60 tyres. The spacers were done so that the internal distance was the same as the originals.

Got the spacers back yesterday fitted today van much more stable and steering still light

Will post pixcces soon
 
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jenxy



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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject:   

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Good for you Lockpicker... Did you get a bargain?
 
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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject:   

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hi lockpicker ....did you need longer studs...if so where did you get them....?
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lockpicker



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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject:     

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Total cost was £190 for four wheels and 4 spacers Most alloys without tyres seem to be going for about £80 without tyres

Spacers were made out of steel and are 24mm thick. Utilised the original studs to mount the spacers and the correct PCD for the new wheels were then drilled and tapped so I used wheel bolts to mount the wheels.

As mentioned before the main spec was for the internal clearance to be the same on the front hubs so they didnt catch bodywork and such. Also the "mounting ring on the original hub was machined into the spacers to help cenralise them and a ring was also machined into the outer of the spacer to centralise the new wheel.

I had thought of putting 165 tyres on the standard rims as this is the maximum width for tyres on the 5" rim to get wider tyres then use spacers to help increase the track even further to help with making the van more stable. The new tyres seem to make the steering less twitchy which is a good thing!

Will put some pics up tomorrow
 
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>>CHOP<<



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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject:   

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so let me get this right you drilled and tapped the 24mm spacers(shims) and your wheels are fixed to the spacers ....and the spacers are fixed to the original studs..... so there are gaps in the wheel mating face that allow the original nuts to fit inside....?


bit confused but i think ive got it...
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RobMorgan



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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject:   

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chop, from what i understand, they will look like this:
 

how much did you pay for the spacers?
i've been quoted about £48 a pair!
 
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lockpicker



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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject:     

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Robs pic is similar to what I have but instead of studs they are tapped for bolts.

£35 each as they are machined specifically for the locating rings + locking nuts for the original studs. But I guess it would vary from engineering company for price
 
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Prices,
Ouch!! Surely IF, and I know it's an if, If you have the right wheels with the correct pcd, it will save a fortune, only then requiring the spacers & extended nuts??
It all seems a lot of money to me, I'll see if I can re find a phone number for a guy that does the spacers & studs, but you will have to drill out the hubs slightly to take the larger Ford studs.
CHOP, did I send it to you?
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RobMorgan



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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject:   

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lockpicker wrote:
£35 each as they are machined specifically


thats a lot!

here is an email i had off a chap on ebay, who makes custom spacers

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Hi there, thank you for your enquiry, for the 15mm-18mm hub centric spacers you are looking at £47.50 per pair and for the 20mm you would be looking at £55.00 per pair. Due to workloads i would say they would take 3-4 days to make.


i dont think i need 20mm, could get away with 15-18mm, so £90 for 4
 
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Your all mad, crazy, off your trolley`s. All that work & expense for shiny wheels that you have to keep cleaning so they look good. There only vans after all!!!!! Derek.
 
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>>CHOP<<



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DEREK...YOUR CORRECT...anyone want to buy some alloys.....
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dellboy wrote:
Your all mad, crazy, off your trolley`s. All that work & expense for shiny wheels that you have to keep cleaning so they look good. There only vans after all!!!!! Derek.


in that case derek, can i buy one of your freshly refurbed rascals? give you £50, as its only a van, lol. i dont want to spend much 

by fitting wider wheels + tyres, my van is safer, as it doesnt slide as much in the wet now
so its not just a image thing, although they do look pimp!
 
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I have not had my van slide in the wet, it must be the light right foot I had fitted, very easy mod, no spacers or longer bolts required! 
 
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Richard wrote:
I have not had my van slide in the wet, it must be the light right foot I had fitted, very easy mod, no spacers or longer bolts required! 


no fun 
i do miss getting the arse end out now and again (when its safe to do so)
does your van always have weight in the back?
 
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 Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject:   

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RobMorgan wrote:
Richard wrote:
I have not had my van slide in the wet, it must be the light right foot I had fitted, very easy mod, no spacers or longer bolts required! 


no fun 
i do miss getting the arse end out now and again (when its safe to do so)
does your van always have weight in the back?
Richard`s from memory is a late Supercarry. These are fitted with a slab of cast iron under the rear floor at the tail to encourage wheel grip as are all pickups fitted out the same. Derek,
 





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does that increased weight mess up their mpg?
 
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RobMorgan wrote:
does that increased weight mess up their mpg?
No, they just go faster downhill!!!!!
 
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 Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject:   

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lockpicker wrote:
Also the "mounting ring on the original hub was machined into the spacers to help cenralise them and a ring was also machined into the outer of the spacer to centralise the new wheel.


I've just fitted soe hubcentric spacers on mine, to do this. however, i have a couple of small issues

the fronts went on, and they were snug against the hub. but where the sspacer goes into the alloy wheel, there is approx 0.5mm clearance, so its not quite as snug

on the back, the hubcentric spacers woud not centralise as there was not enough sticking out of the hub to centraise the spacer. i have spigot rings in the back of the spacers, and they are tapered a bit, so they need about 5mm sticking out of the rear hub to work

lockicker: are your rear spacers centralised correctly? or is it based on the studs? do your wheels fit tight onto the spacers, or is there a small clearance like mine?
 
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Yep the rears and the fronts are both centralised. As I said the spacers were machined up so that the flange that stick out from the front hub and the rear drumfitted snugly into the spacer and the studs straight into the holes. This means it is nice and centralised without having to worry about putting the concentric rings in.

The spacers had a flange machined on the outside specifically for the wheel bore so they would fit snugly onto the spacer and help centralise the wheel as well.

If I get time I will pull a wheel off and take some photos
 
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 Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject:   

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that would be great!
thanks
 

[Smithy]

Does anybody know which wheels will fit without messing with hubs & spacers?

[J J 007]

TRY SUZUKI SWIFT BUT GO FOR A NARROW TYRE I HAVE 175 A BIT TO WIDE HAD TO USE SPACERS J J

[Smithy]

Hi jj 007,

I have done a lot of searching and the only ones I can find are Dezent V 14" x 5.5 but are expensive & have an offset of 40 so they would need spacers & studs extending which I want to avoid.

have a  a look http://www.wheels.uk.com/acatalog/alloy-wheels-dezent-v.html

Will

[>>CHOP<<]

to be honest smithy...without changing the studs you will be restricted to mainly steel wheels ...like maglites or something ..on the last site ..every other question was about wheels ...if you do find some alloys that go on with no messing you will have done well...

between us we have loads of information on wheels ..it will be getting re=posted soon...

[Smithy]

OK Thanks Chop,

Yeah not keen on the maglites.

I really wanted alloys on my van ,I think it will make a big difference to the finished article.
I'm in 2 minds now though, with the expense & hassle of it all not too mention informing the insurance & that getting bumped up as well!

Oh well I'll keep an eye out & see if owt turns up.

[>>CHOP<<]

oh they do make a difference they look awsome ...as you will see when people start putting the pictures of their vans/pick ups back on...

they also add to the stability ..and  grip in the wet

but unfortunatly this comes at a price ...some people prefer to change studs ..some have adapters made ,,,some even re-drill the holes ..and some have chopped and changed arches to suit the larger wheels.....

the possibilities are endless.....if you have the cash...!!!

[TITCH]

Cash??
I tend to do the Barter Thing, like the good owd days

But seriously, Suzuki Swift, "OZ ALLOYS" are on mine and yes extended studs & 18mm spacers, but straight fit pcd wise.
No one yet (?) has sourced a direct replacement stud to fit the Rascal hubs, so it has to be FORD studs, used 65mm I think, BUT, holes will need drilling out to 12.5 or 13mm I think it was, but you must get them square & face on to keep the correct spacing & tightness to keep them spinning in a true circle.
?? Does that help?

[Smithy]

How do you work out what size spacers to use?
For example if the new wheels were et40 & 5.5 width - what size spacers would be needed.
I would make it 22mm 40-18 - is this correct? or is there a bit of leeway.

Will

[TITCH]

Errr, Chop is probably the guy to ask that.
I just know that when my (19mm) spacers I think, were on we then could see what length studs were needed. 65mm is what we used but it depends on the wheel.

[>>CHOP<<]

if the wheel you are replacing is the same width then yes ..you are correct  +et40 would set your wheel in 22 mm than they are now....so a 22mm spacer would put them as the original....what you need to do is measure the backspace...(the distance from the inner wheel-rim to the mating face of the wheel).in my experience if its greater than 110 mm then you will more than likely need spacers...